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The NRA wants to Divide This Country

The National Rifle Association is advocating for armed guards at every school - this is horrible federal policy.

As we continue to mourn the deaths of the children brutally murdered in Newtown, Connecticut, the issue of gun violence is rightfully so in the mainstream.  

The National Rifle Association has a solution to gun violence - whether it is a member of Congress being shot at in Arizona, a school shooting in Connecticut or a mentally ill individual in a crowded shopping mall unloading his rifle - a solution of calling for armed guards at schools. I want to examine, why, as a nation, this is horrible federal public policy and just a sideshow distraction by a gun industry only interested in one thing: money.

The gun industry (like so many other corporate industries, whether its cigarettes, oil or defense),  has some of the most well-paid and powerful lobbyists in the country. Make no mistake about it, nobody is attacking anyone's 2nd Amendment rights. The gun lobby has a job to make it as easy as possible to make sure guns are easy to purchase, even if it is someone who fails a background check or is mentally unstable. They have one goal and that is to make sure gun manufacturers sell guns. You have an extreme group of the population that is 110% in support of the gun lobby, characterize this as an attack on the 2nd Amendment and want to make everything about that 'attack'. Fortunately, that is a fringe group in our country. Unfortunately, that fringe group can make a lot of noise.

The overwhelming majority of Americans can agree, that together, Democrats, Republicans and Unaffiliateds should come together to stop illegal guns from getting into our cities. The overwhelming majority of murders in Newark and Camden are from illegal guns. That should be the primary focus. 

Second, the majority of Americans agree that if you are a law abiding citizen who so desires, you should be able to purchase a basic gun for self-protection. However, why should non-military and non-law enforcement folks be able to purchase an AK-47 or another type of gun? 

Third, background checks need to be enforced so that those who have a criminal record, or is an undocumented resident or is mentally unstable is unable to purchase any type of gun, period. Similar to how we penalize bar owners for serving alcohol to minors, the severest penalties need to be given to any gun shop owner or manufacturer who sells a gun to any of the above categories and more.

Together, these are 3 areas that a strong majority of Americans agree on and Congress and the President should enforce these areas to the strictest. We currently aren't even stopping illegal guns or those who are mentally unstable from purchasing a gun!

Putting tens of thousands of guns now in schools throughout the country with armed guards does nothing to solve the situation. What happens if more than one attacker comes into a school, like a Columbine, where they had an armed guard?

What happens if at a place like a police station, such as in South Jersey earlier this week, a gun is stolen from a police officer and three people are shot?

How is this plan financially feasible? Armed guards could cost up to $100,000 each and where does that end? Do we put armed guards whereever children are? Churches? Playgrounds? Public transportation? Shopping malls? Beaches? Where else? This is not Israel and we are not at war constantly fearful of an enemy about to bomb us. What is the psychological impact to students of having an armed guard at every school? Do you feel safer seeing guards at airports?

My point is simple...has this well-publicized plan thoroughly been discussed or analyzed before the National Rifle Association and right-wing extremist members of Congress announced this as the solution? Some on the far right compare this to 9/11 and air safety. We don't have air marshals on every flight and the threat of global jihadist terrorism is a lot different than a mentally ill 20 year old.

As a Democratic County Chairman, this is my view. I happen to agree with Republican Governor Chris Christie as he and I agree on why we should not have a federal policy of putting armed guards in schools. However, I don't take issue with any school district who believes they need an armed guard at a school.

The Democratic Party Mayor of Marlboro Jon Hornik, Democratic Council members and the elected Marlboro Board of Education came out strongly in favor of armed guards at the Marlboro Schools. I don't disagree with their decision because I don't have the same information or same knowledge as Mayor Hornik and the Board of Education has on what goes in the Marlboro schools.

In fact, I don't have an issue with any individual school district that chooses to do it. That is why there is an elected Board of Education who the people entrust to make those choices and local residents will evaluate if that is what’s best for the children in that town. Elected Board of Education members have information at hand regarding the safety of their district schools that the general public does not have. I am sure there are school systems in Newark and Jersey City that may have several armed guards working there. I do, however, take issue with a proposed NRA federal policy mandating that on all schools spend millions of dollars placing armed guards at every school district throughout the country.

At the end of the day, until we first address why those suffering from mental health illness are able to purchase guns, illegal guns in general and legislation preventing background checks, the situation will continue.

The extreme National Rifle Association is trying to divide this country and they are succeeding, by talking about armed guards as if that is the solution of gun violence. Thirty three people are dying every day due to gun violence, most of it illegal gun violence, and the policies advocated by the gun lobby are why this is happening.

Robert Way January 4, 2013 at 03:01 am
@SODawg, you totally misrepresent what was suggested. I don't recall the call for a "gun cart" of sorts where everybody can run to them when the brawl breaks out on the playground. A third of the Nation's Public schools have already "intentionally put guns in the school" and I can't seem to find all the "run for the gun" stories in the news. And how does the risk of "gun play" go up, are the guns in the bin next to the soccer balls and basketballs in gym class or are they handled by a limited number to trained and proficient personnel?
I can safely assume that your intentions are genuine when it comes to the safety of our schools. I can also safely assume that you wanting an "assault weapons" ban is not a result of some evil tyrannical ideology that seeks to disarm The People to allow some master plan of mass oppression to take root and play out. Having said that, your mindset actually puts more people at risk over time, it tilts the odds away from the law-abiding citizen and in the favor of the criminals, and on a larger scale, it incrementally surrenders The People's individual freedom for the false sense of "security" which can indeed lead to tyranny and history supports that notion. Probably not in the next decade or century, or even a few centuries but it still weakens future generations ability to keep government in check.
Robert Way January 4, 2013 at 11:37 am
@SODawg, some "common sense" checks on an "assault weapons" ban;
http://www.guncite.com/gun_control_gcassaul.html Poke around the FBI site yourself to see how responsible "assault weapons" are for violent crime. In the FBI crime reports an "assault weapon" would fall under the "rifle" category. Interesting how even the FBI doesn't even categorize them as "assault weapons". http://www.fbi.gov/stats-services/crimestats
bud January 4, 2013 at 09:57 pm
Guns and magazines don't kill people, PEOPLE kill people! The entire Swiss Army takes their weapons HOME with them. More people die in Switzerland from eating bad cheese than bullets! We need to re-examine our mental health laws and stop worrying so much about privacy before it kills all of us!
Tony Orsini January 8, 2013 at 03:02 pm
WHo was protecting Giffors when she was shot? I love the way the 2nd ammendment has been bastardized from bearing arms for the purpose of raising a militia to unregulated arms proliferation. An eqally important talking point, if not even more important, is piss poor way we provide health care to the mentally ill.
Tony Orsini January 8, 2013 at 03:20 pm
Excellent. Everything you said is correct. Harder to do, tho. But now that this is the focus, let's close the loopholes. If the NRA had any smarts, they would want to be part of the process.
Robert Way January 8, 2013 at 04:58 pm
Welcome to the thread Mr. Orsini. I thought it was going stale but thanks for giving it some life :-).
Could you take a moment to explain why you referenced Congresswoman Giffords (I am assuming that is who you are referring to and leaving out the "d" was just a typo) and questioned who was protecting her. I just want to understand the point you are trying to make, assuming it has something to do with @Theodore mentioning The President, Congress, and Senate. The way I am reading your comment is that even though Giffords was protected by armed security, she was still shot. Correct me if I am wrong in this interpretation. Thanks in advance.....
Dame Bridgid January 9, 2013 at 02:50 am
Then why did the gunman bypass that town's High School? Why did the gunman bypass the Intermediate School too? Maybe because both those schools HAVE armed safety officers, just like my children's High School & Middle School. When you go to a hospital, does it make you feel like a criminal because there are armed security guards there?
An armed guard would have returned fire when he began shooting to gain entry & it could have ended there. Stop with your uneducated hysteria already. The gunman DID NOT HAVE an automatic weapon. There are perfectly legitimate uses for semi automatic weapons that 3rd generation apartment dwellers refuse to acknowledge. Farmers around our country must contend with the 5 million non native razorback hogs that destroy our forests, crops & other wildlife...They EAT anything including native nesting birds & fawns! Highly aggressive dangerous animals that weigh several hundred pounds & normally roam in groups of 20 to 50. It takes several shots to put down just one of them. Recently these feral pigs have begun invading upstate New York. Our founding fathers would never have removed any law abiding citizen's rights because of the acts of criminals. They also would have applauded the spirit of the 12 year old girl who shot a man through the door of the closet as he turned the doorknob. That home invader had already been charged with kidnapping a mentally disabled girl. You would rather fling her into his arms, how shameful!
Dame Bridgid January 9, 2013 at 03:30 am
The High School & Intermediate School in Newton both have a "safety" officer. The Sandy Hook Elementary School did not, Mr Gopal.
Democratic Chairman Gopal needs to realize that New Jersey has already had police officers assigned inside it's schools since the 60's. He also seems much more concerned about the cost of an officer's salary than with the safety of elementary school children. Having an officer assigned to elementary school would actually foster a better rapport between our law enforcement & young students. That will have a positive impact later on for their communities, as well as providing extra safety for emergencies of various types now. Community fundraisers can provide cutting edge technology(like biometric weapons) to prevent accidents in a school full of curious students. Residents of New Jersey have used similar efforts in the past to provide vests for police officers. In my opinion, Mr Gopal is advocating being penny wise, pound fooolish.
John J. Harris January 9, 2013 at 01:03 pm
Most firearm deaths are suicides which are good.
John J. Harris January 9, 2013 at 01:03 pm
Brigid - you are clearly slow witted. This autistic lunatic went to the elementary school and sought out a a particular class. He had a vendetta. It is doubtful that a barney fife from newtown would have been able to take the shells out of his pocket and load his gun to try and do anything before he received his double tap. There is only one way to stop a lunatic and that is to not let try. We need to round up all of these autistic and mentally deranged people and send them to venezuaela where they belong.
Robert Way January 9, 2013 at 02:56 pm
@John J. Harris, could you please elaborate on how you know the Newtown shooter picked out that particular classroom and the person with whom he had the vendetta with. I personally don't recall tat being explained in any of the media coverage I have read or watched so I may have just missed it.
Could you also cite for me where in the Constitution or any other State or Local law it allows for the "rounding up autistic and mentally deranged people" and where that line is drawn between people that can be "rounded up" and people that cannot be?
Robert Way January 9, 2013 at 03:00 pm
By the way @John J. Harris, the straw man of a dumpy old Barney Fife fumbling through his change pocket to find the six rounds he is going to manually load into his six round revolver while the "unloved-needs-a-hug" psycho is shooting his way through a locked door is a disingenuous and ridiculous notion at best.
Robert Way January 9, 2013 at 03:31 pm
While it has not been discussed much in this conversation so far other than one time I mention "confiscation" in one of my comments. For anyone who chooses to pay no mind to the notion that gun control legislation can lead to the slippery slope of confiscation, take a moment to read the recent thoughts of an elected official in the Iowa State Legislature;
http://dailycaller.com/2013/01/09/iowa-lawmaker-calls-for-retroactive-gun-bans-confiscations-of-semi-automatic-weapons/
Spooner January 9, 2013 at 04:07 pm
Mr Way- this contradicts the law(District of Columbia v. Heller, 2008). So why do you tangentially hint at "confiscation"...other than too promote your continuing attempts to incocate dictatorial directives on the American people. And as Iowa Congressman Steve King said in that link you posted:"I vow to work with my colleagues in the House and Senate to find responsible ways to prevent this type of violence from being repeated in the future" I gather that's not good enough for you and others...
George Clark January 9, 2013 at 04:12 pm
ar15s and the like are not the problem. There is something wrong with a society that promotes so much gun violence, through all forms of entertainments, and then wonders why the lost souls go ballistic. please
Robert Way January 9, 2013 at 04:28 pm
@Spooner, I am not following you here, "your continuing attempts to incocate dictatorial directives on the American people". How am I attempting to tell people what to do? My article is an example of the Iowa State Representative wanting to tell other people what to do, or in this case what they can own. I know what the State Representative proposes contradicts the Heller decision which upholds an individual right to own a firearm.
The point of my comment was to exemplify the fact that there are elected officials that openly support legislative action that would allow the confiscation of legally acquired and owned firearms by American Citizens. Maybe I am misunderstanding what you are accusing me of doing so please clarify the point you are trying to make.
Spooner January 9, 2013 at 04:44 pm
Mr Way- I'm not going to engage in your diatribe pink-pong game like above. Let others draw their own conclusions about your true intents when it comes to confiscation...
Robert Way January 9, 2013 at 04:56 pm
My true intents? What the hell are you talking about? I am against confiscation of any kind. As far as "ping pong", I just want to make sure I don't misrepresent the point a you are trying to make. I can't force you to elaborate but coming in here and accusing me of something without substantiating it only detracts from conversation.
I'd like to respectfully ask you to either come right out and say what you want everyone else to figure out about me or refrain from responding to my comments. My position is clear and simple regarding confiscation, history teaches us that it happens and I am against any type of incremental legislative measures that create the framework for a governing body to "come after our guns" at some point in the near or distant future.
AJM January 9, 2013 at 05:16 pm
Chairman: A couple of points
1) good news, glad to hear that. 2) Most of congress and senate alreadyhave UNRESTRICTED permits such as Feinstein and Schumer which allow them to carry ANY weapon. 3) as a father of 2 young children I applaud the idea of ARMED GUARDS...Israel has them and ZERO shooting in their schools. 4) your column was actually very well written and in my opinion unbiased and thank you for that. 5) lets examine the UK where guns are outlawed and more people are killed there by stabbings or very close to the number of shooting here in the US. A lot of ppl are comparing the U.S. to the U.K. but fail to make mention of the stabbings. I travel to the UK for business and all you hear on the news is the amounts of stabbing throughout the UK and its not 1 time its multiple stabbings per person.
John J. Harris January 9, 2013 at 10:27 pm
Is your first name really "chairman"?
LSNative January 9, 2013 at 11:37 pm
Low-information liberals emerge from every corner.
So now that the topic is placing restrictions on constitutional rights, why stop with the 2nd amendment? Let's restrict the 5th so criminal convictions can be made easier! Just think of how many dangerous felons can be removed from the streets and incarcerated! Doing away with that one will make society MUCH safer than taking away the 2nd!
John J. Harris January 10, 2013 at 12:32 am
I am 100% behind you if you throw in mentally deranged lunatics and autistics.
Tony Orsini January 10, 2013 at 03:53 pm
Correct. And apologies for the reply that was misplaced on your thread. You make a thoro analysis as usual. My complaints are as follows: the NRA has NEVER brought any constructive ideas to the debate, now or ever. Their recent suggestion of armed guards at every school, assuming that's an effective fix, who will pay? Did they offer? This is why there is such a noxious reaction to the NRA, and to position it as being a defender of liberty is a sad joke. Attempts to protect life trumps all in my book.
Robert Way January 10, 2013 at 10:22 pm
@Tony Orsini,
Tony, not sure why, but your replies are showing up in places that don't make sense. Not saying you are doing it but your reply to me hear appears to be a reply to Chairman Gopal's post just above. I have done it in the past but you have to click the first "reply" button that is higher up in the thread of the comment you are responding to. Having confirmed what you meant, i.e. even though Giffords had armed security she was shot, I don't recall there being mention of any armed security in the Safeway parking lot where the Giffords shooting took place. The gunman was subdued by regular citizens when he fumbled around with his weapon after having dropped a magazine and then a handful of people got to him. It is unreasonable for anyone to suggest that if armed security were indeed there that they would have been able to react fast enough to prevent her from being shot (not sure if she was the first one shot or not) but the possibility does exist that the gunman could have been stopped sooner than him creating the opportunity to be rushed by bystanders. If armed security were indeed there, they might not have even fired at the shooter because of where he was in relation to the crowd he was surrounded by because of a lack of "a clear shot" at him. Catch 22 there since if you shoot and miss you risk hitting someone innocent whereas if you don't shoot, he just keeps picking people off. (continued below.....)
Robert Way January 10, 2013 at 10:23 pm
There is no guarantee Giffords would have been any better protected, or any of those individuals killed or injured been spared a bullet but it would have definitely tilted the odds away from the gunman. If he had not stumbled and created the opportunity to be subdued, how many others would have been injured or killed? Nobody knows, neither does anyone know how many fewer had there been an equal amount of force responding to him.
I fail to understand the logic behind the notion that less good guys with guns makes people safer from bad guys with guns. This is not to say "everyone should be armed", absolutely not what I am saying. Instead, why is it not feasible to allow law-abiding citizens more effective means of defending themselves beyond waiting for law enforcement to show up when history shows, at no fault of their own, they tend to arrive after the body count has already begun to tally up, again, not saying there is insufficient support from law enforcement, it is just impractical to expect them to be able to respond to a "shots fired " coming across the radio fast enough. As for the NRA, I do not carry water for them, I also do not support their leadership's call for Federally funded Armed Security in every school, we don't need yet another Federal program. What I do support is a collaborative conversation between local authorities, schools districts, and parents to determine what the best means is to protect the children in our schools. (continued)
Robert Way January 10, 2013 at 10:23 pm
Is it not a worthwhile effort to explore what a comprehensive security plan would look like, one that may or may not include dedicated law enforcement or armed security in our schools, determine what that plan or plans would cost and then leave it to the community to decide if that is a worthy price to pay for a security plan that stands a better chance of saving lives than one whose cornerstone is turning off the lights, hiding in a corner or closet, and praying the gunman doesn't choose "our little barrel of fish" to go fishing in.
You and I are not very far apart on this issue in principle Tony, that being "attempts to protect life trumps all in my book" as you said. We just seem to believe in different means to achieve that.
Robert Way January 11, 2013 at 04:11 pm
@Tony Orsin, in regard to your comment "My complaints are as follows: the NRA has NEVER brought any constructive ideas to the debate, now or ever. Their recent suggestion of armed guards at every school, assuming that's an effective fix, who will pay? Did they offer?", it seems they may have gotten the idea from somewhere else other than their own internal leadership.....
Then President Clinton, one year post Columbine..... http://articles.latimes.com/2000/apr/16/news/mn-20323
S.G. January 12, 2013 at 07:19 pm
Your comments have touched on so many points that I will only mention a few.
*An airplane's primary purpose is transportation. The primary purpose of a gun is to kill. *There are many interpretations of the Second Amendment. *The source of most illegal guns is not across borders, "...in 2009 ten states (Arizona, California, Georgia, Florida, Indiana, North Carolina, Ohio, Pennsylvania, Texas and Virginia) supplied almost half the interstate-trafficked guns recovered at crime scenes. ..." - and - "...90% of the guns recovered from crime scenes in Mexico are traced led back to American dealers..." For more gun sources: http://www.economist.com/node/17151375
Jim Kirk January 13, 2013 at 05:09 pm
RE: "marylou 4:50 pm on Monday, December 31, 2012 Robert,I am by no means an expert.People who shouldn't be allowed to own guns,IMO,the mentally ill,visually impaired,anyone who has ever been convicted of a violent crime.True,if they want a gun,they'll get 1,but let's not make it easy for them. What I also take issue with is the new breed of gun nuts who think guns solve all problems."
marylou -- You are right, you ARE NO EXPERT. You have no idea what you're talking about. 1) To purchase and/or own firearms in New Jersey you must: * Apply through your local police department and pay nominal admin fee. * Get fingerprinted for the NJ State Police and the FBI. * Obtain 100% verifiable references that are checked out by your local police, state police and the FBI. * Wait several weeks for all background checks to be cleared. * If you apply for a hand gun, you are only allowed 2 or 3 permits at a time to purchase (estate inheritances are handled case-by-case). * Even once you are cleared by the federal and state agencies, your local police chief may turn down the application if something doesn't add up. * Every time you go to purchase a hand gun in NJ, you have to repeat the application process all over again. Don't believe me: http://www.njsp.org/faq.html Now...what were you saying about owning firearms being "easy" in NJ???
Jim Kirk January 13, 2013 at 11:50 pm
If the Left Wing is so set on being victims, LET THEM renounce their Second Amendment rights -- I for one will not follow them, or the HYPOCRITES at the top of the Left Wing Anti-Second Amendment cabal.
Look at Senator Dianne Feinstein! This HYPOCRITE: * Has a CONCEALED CARRY PERMIT * Owns firearms * Has ARMED GUARDS protecting her * Works in a building that is protected protected by ARMED Capitol police; is lined with metal detectors/screeners; etc. So, while this woman lives a 100% PROTECTED LIFE, she expects the citizens to roll the dice and take their chances. I'll disarm the day the HYPOCRITES from the Left Wing totally disarm. Let Mayor Bloomberg walk about New York City without the armed detail that carries FULL AUTO SUB-MACHINE GUNS as he travels in an ARMORED LIMO. Note to Left Wing Liberals that want me to surrender my Bill of Rights -- in the words of General Anthony Clement McAuliffe to the Nazis: "NUTS!"

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