I'm considering relocating to Red Bank from Denver. Is it a hot bed of Tea Partiers there?

Correct it is statism

@Diana

Political activity in this area is minimal. Activity in this area is minimal, for that matter, as we're mostly a bedroom community for NYC.

Pro or Con the TP, I would not swap Denver for this area. It's expensive, overcrowded, and generally frustrating.

Yvon,
This is silly. You pay for or invest in something that is mandated by the government and you want me or my family or anyone else to not accept the benefit we are entitled to? Is it socialism? To a certain extent, yes. Change Soc. Sec.? Absolutely! Change Medicare and Medicaid, ? Absolutely! Lift the future burden off our children and grandchildren? Absolutely! Try bringing up the subject. There are ways to manage all of this that work and are working in other countries today. As a tax payer who gets very little for what he pays I'm offended that you think I shouldn't take what I'm entitled to. So what walk do you walk, or do you just talk?

Norma,
The current system does embody some elements of socialism, but it is not working. We are objecting to a law that imposes a huge burden on those who already pay, imposes a ton of new rules on all of us and does nothing to make healthcare, nor healthcare insurance, more affordable. This act is designed to do one thing, make us all turn to the government for all of our healthcare needs at an ever increasing cost and declines in the availability of patient care. Medicaid in NJ costs us 11 BILLION per year. If This bill remains intact the cost will immediately rise to 16 Billion per year. There are better solutions, and they are out there working today. Government is not the solution.

Do you have anything of substance to add? All I see here is a rant.

Kate, You couldn't debate Barbara G. (or anyone else in the Tea Party) about Obamacare if your life depended on it. All you need to do is look at the hideously mangled, contorted, and dis-jointed judicial ruling that was necessary to uphold Obamacare. Whoever heard of a 1-4-4 Supreme Court ruling.
Jesus M.
BTPG Member

HA! A twenty-something yapping about ignorance. That's rich! Do you own a home in this country Honey?

Another vacant comment!

Donald,

Thank you! There is hope. God works in strange ways and with a purpose. You see the nature of the opposition. They are so terribly misinformed and misguided that they cannot even discuss the issue without insult or the reference to fact or truth. The true nature of evil. God help us all.

Fantastic post Joseph! They say our fifteen minutes of fame are over? We are celebrating our 3rd year and we have only just begun to fight.

"Socialized healthcare is the key to a Socialist state."

Awesome.

So. Please explain how it is that this sellout to the insurance industry qualifies as "socialism".

Please explain how it is that insurance stocks went up after Comrade Roberts tilted the court in favor of Romneycare - oh, sorry. Obamacare.

Best of all, please explain how it is that this socialist medicine was hatched in the right-wing Heritage Foundation?

Here's some proof of that from the Commie rag, the Wall Street Journal:

http://tinyurl.com/7swmd9f

Sorry to confuse with a few facts.

Rick,

So. Please explain how it is that this sellout to the insurance industry qualifies as "socialism".

Ask yourself a few simple questions;

Do the insurnce Companies benefit from millions of new forced payees? To save time the answer is yes.

Will the requirements to provide insurance to all without respect to their pre existing circumstances at the same price as every other insured person raise costs for the Insurance company? The Answer is yes.

Stocks rise on improving performances and future potentia income and profit. More persons insured mean more income and perhaps more profit. Ergo stocks increase in value. The reverse will occur when the costs rise but the premiums don't. Price control vs the actual cost of services delivered. Competing issues. The government says provide more coverage but don't charge more tha "X" in premiums. Goodbye Healthcare insurance companies.

Rick,

More;

With the cost of insurance limited by the government and the benefits of that insurance controlled by the government, how long will it be before the insurance companies drop healthcare coverage? Will that happen? Yes1 What then? The government becomes the insurer of record and you government run and controlled healthcare. Socialist healthcare system.

I seriously doubt that the Heritage foundation "Hatched" socialist medicine. What they did do was write about their ideas on Government run healthcare. I suspect others have done so as well. Like social security, Medicare and Medicaid, healthcare and healthcare insurance should not be taboo subjects for discussion and considertions of necessary alteration of those systems. Social security has been more than successfully replaced.

Free exchange of ideas is paramount. We are and have for sometime lost that ability in this country. It's easier to throw barbs than work to understand issues.
We must work to change this.

Sal,
There are many issues of substance to be debated here, but as usual you make up something that is absolutely baseless. See if you can find some facts to begin with because you really got it backwards here.

Sal,
Still wrong, still no facts. Want to try the truth for once? Who do you know who has this point of view? Cite a single Tea Party statement where they have demanded free healthcare and healthcare insurance for themselves. Try again.

I hear you,Sal. I've heard the arguement from the TP crowd that if illegal immigrants get free healthcare,they are entitled to it as well.They have homes,cars,and the latest electronics,but choose not to pay fro health insurance or any healthcare they need."The gov't can't froce me to buy anything that I don't want."

Sal,

Still no facts. Where and when did Barbara make a statement demanding free healthcare at someone else's expense? If you pay for your own healthcare and healthcare insurance then surely you have realized that the costs are skyrocketing and will do so at a more accelerated rate under the so called Affordable "Obamacare" ! Where did you get the idea that tea party groups are looking for handouts, or want someone else to pay for their healthcare? Come on, just one little source.

WE REGRET,I've heard the comments right from the horses' mouths.It might be just fine and dandy of people who chose not to buy insurance paid for any healthcare they received out of pocket,Sure most of us could afford to pay for an office visit or flu shot.M

Marylou,
I am the real Tea Party! We have an office in Red Bank/Middletown, 275 route 35 North 1/2 block north of Pool World (Pine Street). Stop by and see us, We are there most days. We respect our opinions and yours, and will treat you with the respect we expect (But don't always get) from others. We are all losing our country no matter our views. It is time to end the vitriol and talk about real common sense solutions. We may find the we have more in common than we have been led to believe.

Barbara,you alresady pay for those who do not have health ins.They,including some of you TP buddies.use the ERs and hospitals the same way illegal immigrants do.

Bingo!I know someone who makes very good money and gets charity care at hospitals.Evidently,hospitals don't do a good job of checking patients' financial info.I would love to report them,but don't have enough info to do so.

Oh Marylou did you read what you wrote? If you know this then you have enough info, don't you? We have no love for those who exploit our generosity even if it is compulsory, but if you know it's going on why tolerate it? Sal hasn't a single fact to support his allegations about Barbara. Lawyers can do wonders with unsupported slander and lies! Want to try again or correct your statement....Sal?

Reply to WE REGRET,below.Actually,I did not have enough info,such as which hospital,patient's SS#,date of admission(s),etc.We did speak with someone who works in a billing dept.at a hospital,and she said that without that without specific information from someone who is trying to tell them about possible fraud.there is nothing they could do.She could not even say if thst person had been a patient.Oh,he and his family are loyal supporters of the Tea Party.

Marylou,
Not all things are easy. An attempt to rectify a wrong is a better alternative to just letting something happen. Still, a loyal supporter of the tea party makes it clear to you that all tea party members are criminals just like these people? Would that also apply to anyone else of any other persuasion doing the same thing and impugning any group they might be loyal supporters of? Quite a stretch don't you think?

Richard LavinoScotto,
I read the bill And you apparently have not, nor have you read the preceding entry. Taxes are always passed to the user.
Who are you to determine who is scratching by no matter how much they make. How did you come by this magical 0.9 increase? What is it based on? Current tax levels (ie how much these people paid in taxes) or their income level. Just facts!
3. 401k's cannot be taxed under current law. But if you make an unqualified withdrawl that can be subject to a 10% penalty and income taxes! Look at Soc. Sec.
4. This is called imperialism. The individual states determine if insurance companies can write insurance in their state. State rules must be followed, The states have restricted your access to competitive insurance. This is not the purview of the Federal government. The states determine what must be included in the policy not you. Why can't the buyer select the nature of his coverage?

5, But they do not fight the ever growing coverages that are probably not necessary for most of their members, but do fight the required escalation of related costs paid by the employer. Most union coverages are generous, and are not limited to more catastrophic needs of insurance, but allow unrestricted visits to various medical providers at little or no cost. Not the way it was 37 years ago. (Close to the advent of Medicare and Medicaid) Government, and specially Obamacare, will not protect you from huge escalations in healthcare insurance costs.

Galt's Gulch here we come. The leeches are are at the gates!

SAl,
No healthcare insurance for 25% of Texans, 22% of Floridians and 15% of New Jerseyans! Is this a state problem or a federal problem? Why do these people not have insurance? I can ignore a problem if it is not stated! What is the problem? Do you know if there are any free family medical clinics in NJ, not supported by the government but by private donations? We obstruct what we see as more disastrous than what we have now which is almost already disastrous. Doing the same thing is not a solution.You speak for people you don't know, and gee whiz SAL but the Democrats controlled congress from 2006 til 2010 and the Presidency since 2009. The wars haven't stopped. Isn't that what you wanted? Why are you obstructing the ending of spending 700 Billion on war? See SAL it goes both ways.

I do not regret spending one dime on MY HEALTHCARE, I do regret spending one dime on anyone else aside from the truly needy and I specially loathe you or government telling me I have to do this and that you and the government will control it and continually screw it up and accomplish nothing but waste taxpayer dollars. Leave it to the private sector, they know how to get things done.

WE REGRET,who do you think pays for the healthcare of the uninsured who cannot afford,or say they cannot afford, their healthcare when they get sick or injured? So, you are already paying for the uninsured and not all of them are truely poor.Some of them work very hard,sometimes at 2 jobs,but their employers do not offer insurance.Others prefer to use their money to buy new cars,electronics,expensive homes and vacations.

SAL,

Expand HSA's to everyone. Those in poverty can be aided in funding their HSA. Not permanently! Those who are incapable of supporting themselves, from causes not of their control should be protected by us. The individual picks the type of healthcare insurance he wishes from bare bones catastrophic coverage to full service coverages. They pay the premium. All healthcare expenses should be treated the same under the tax code. If i buy my own insurance it should be tax exempt just like most employer or union insurance plans. All medical expenses should be tax deductable. (Some elective or quality of life items should be excluded)
Illegals should not be covered until their presence here is legalized. Emergency rooms should no longer be the place to go for healtcare issues. This is the most expensive medical practice delivery location in the world. The number one reason for emergency room visits today is a headcold or similar symtoms at an average cost of $1,000 per visit.
You want people to pay for their own Healthcare insurance, so do we. But, some can't. We cannot help everyone and don't want to. Some people are where they are as a result of their own choices. They are not my problem. I suspect the same applies in texas and florida.
Yes State government forces you to buy auto insurance but driving is not a right, it is a priveledge. Also insurance protects me and other drivers not you at least as compared to health insurance.
Obamacare protects no ones rights

SAL,

Every state is in the same quandry. Government run anything is failing, and is out of control cost wise. Obamacare does not force you or an employer to pay for coverage, It penalizes you or the employer. Do the math, it's cheaper to pay the penalty as a corporation. As an individual I can afford the penalty and then run to the emergency room.
Obamacare is designed to enslave us all to government. Not to solve any of our healthcare issues. Read the bill, like some of us have already done. There are much better alternatives out there and can be accomplished in less than 100 pages. I'm not going to check budgets, I understand the costs are astronomical.

We haven't even touched Medicaid and Medicare with this discussion. Another train wreck coming to your neighborhood soon.

WE REGRET,are you blaming your wife's experience on the heathcare law?I broke my ankle 10 yrs. ago,long before most of us ever heard of Obama.It happened on a Fri,night,so I had to go to the ER,They took the x-rays and applied the cast. Since I also injured my other leg,I need to rent a wheeelchair.The nearest place I could do that and have it paid for by my ins.was in Union County. I decided to pay out of pocket and rent 1 from Sunray in Middletown. I called all day Monday,trying to find a specialist who accepted my insurance until I found 1.The moral of the story is that the sorry state of our healthcare in this country has nothing to do with ourcurrent President.

Yes but not simple enough for our politicians. Most of the promises made at its advent have been broken and benefits expanded without regard for future viability. Read second page of your annual social Security report. Benefits will decline in the 2030's.
Blood in the street? Probably! They have been warned repeatedly and ignored the warnings. Who will pay the price?

Galveston County opted out and won out over average Soc. Sec recipients. Nobody noticed. Milton Friedman privatized Chile's Soc. Sec system. It is cheaper than ours and provides a better benefit. AND it's their money to pass to their heirs. Our system depends on the ignorance of the general public and the politicians gamed the people. Obamacare fits the same mold, only worse. My kids will learn to survive outside of the controls of government or submit to the enslavement of the ignorant. We work to see that this does not happen!

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