Its a Bad Nightmare will will happen Again,and Again

Life is tragic. One must find happiness among the tragedies, not apart from them.

@DeSanto..Its hard to believe that you felt it necessary to make the above, your first and ony comment. God bless you....YOU NEED IT

So senseless. Why do people target innocent, helpless children? Deepest sympathy to all the families involved. So very sad.....

Like 9-11 all over again.

The liberal press will rarely refer to the shooter as a "cwoard". Remember how Michael Moore and Bill Maher referred to the 9-11 terrorists as "freedom fighters"?

A coward? He was Mentally ill and a very very sick person. It's not cowardliness, he lost absolute control of who he was and went full blown psychotic. You try dealing with a mental illness when it is not be medicated or managed properly.

Pat Mackie - Who cares if he was mentally ill he committed this heinous act and yes his illness probably was not managed properly ... but if he needed and out he should have just blown his own brains out and those children would be in school today.

The media is one of the major problems we have as a society. You are right, the coverage about this horrible crime against humanity has been terrible. Why? The money hungry media has a thurst to be first. The State Police have tried to restrain the flow of info until the facts are all in. We need to embrace the victims and forget about the news coverage until the authorities do their job. God Bless the families that lost loved ones. I can never understand the pain they are enduring.

When we hear of these mass, no reasoned tragedies it is not about people forgetting to respect and "be love." There are some crazy people out there. Whether chemically imbalanced genetically, illegal drug induced, or some sad mix of nature/nurture/media/video/society's acceptance, tolerance and demand to integrate the imbalanced fully - crazy is crazy and evil is evil and when either one takes over a person they aren't making choices.

Come back down to Earth, stop spouting hippy crap...people were killed here

wonderful quote, and true, we have lost the meaning of life. Yes he was mentally ill. But so many others could use this in their lives.

That was lovely. Thank you. Disregard the haters. They will never get it. I always felt loved and special. I grew up in an abusive and dysfunctional family. I always felt there was something, someone who loved me. Something far beyond what I was living. I felt special. It took a long time to be "happy" and not fearful. To be grateful and never perpetuate what I grew up in. Again, Thank you for sharing. I get it.

You are correct about the Amish, Susan. However, even there, not all the parents of the murdered children embraced the family of the shooter, nor explicitly forgave him.

these places should be left up and not torn down as to remind people of these tragedies. We're getting numb since these shootings are happening 4 and 5 times a year. No shrink or medicine b.s. will help. Some people are just crazy or evil and that's it. Learn your history people. Even your blessed Churched tortured people to repent.

Yeah, the Amish have that Forgiveness, Clean Slate thing down pat. You have to admire people who actually live the way they believe.

What a wonderful, healing idea.

Mr. Shortall, the Amish also have that "Nonforgiveness, Shunning thing down pat."

Beautifully put, Susan! What these grieving families need right now is privacy and closure, not hate speech and talk about gun control. I really wish people and the media would give these families time to grieve. I live in Lancaster County, and I really wish the families in Conn. could get the same amount of privacy the Amish did. I really hope their community steps up like the Amish community did and help them. The media needs to just go away until the families have come to grips with what happened and can talk about it... IF they want to!

Steve, the shunning is perfectly biblical. It is only done with members of the community who knowingly have committed an offense and have not repented. I don't think we can go so far as to require religious communities to accept people who don't accept their rules and beliefs.

I agree ... this generation is SO desensitized to violence, among other things. The movies and other media definitely are a major reason for lack of respect for life and lack of morality. My heart goes out to all the families!

Thanks Barney. Where are the writers and producers of violent movies and video games when we try to understand what is happening to our children? Counting their money and thinking about how to make more! If President Obama truly wants to curtail these horrible acts, Hollywood and the gaming establishment need to be a part of the conversation. Parents need to be proactive with this stuff. Where did this mentailly derranged man learn to do these things?

Right on. LUCK was an HBO production about Horse Racing; great script, Dustin Hoffman staring; common to horse riding everywhere, a few horses sustained injuries and the nut wing of the "animal advocacies" shut it down. Next up, Boardwalk Empire, Frank Buscemi, started out with authenticity of the period of Atlantic City, but then it got "spiked" with senseless brutality and violence; one scene a "thug" actor brought to the cast sprayed a deputy of the Sheriff with gasoline from a pump and then threw a match at him; in a following segment, the body of the man who was having an affair with the main character was shipped to her at the home of her husband in a crate; and this was followed by a "beach" round-up where one poor soul was buried in sand to his neck, and the same "thug" took a shovel and whacked off his head. So where do these sickos come from; homemade; Hollywood! And the issues of NEW NORMAL; Hollywood!

It's not the guns, but he couldn't have killed so many in such a short time without guns. Think about it.

It's not the guns, but he couldn't have killed so many in such a short time without guns. Think about it.

Julie, Timothy McVeigh killed more people with fertilizer. Muslims killed more on 9/11 with box cutters. If someone wants to kill, one or many, they will find a way. Think of what you could do with a car, if you really wanted to. Should we ban cars, fertilizer, or box cutters? No, we need to help people before things like this happen or we need to give guns to the good guys so they can stop the lunatics.

And blaming Hollywood is asinine. My kids don't watch those movies or play those violent games. I decide what is shown in my home, not Hollywood. If society would stop buying this garbage, Hollywood would have no choice but to make something different.

Please use some common sense. Don't let others think and decide for you!

Great post, Dawn New!

no Barney it is the guns automatic weapons that have no purpose except to kill
you cant hunt with them s

Barney: you're quite vicious against everyone who doesn't think like you. Now you're claiming disarming President Obama's voters (all 63.7 million of them) could stop 'black on black' crime - as you put it). I SO hate to disillusion you, but people who self-identified as black in the last Census only came to 42 million nation-wide, and that included ALL of the children (whom those with any commonsense know can't vote). I'd guess the kids would number at least 2/3? So likely l/3 of that 42 million (at a stretch) might possibly be voters? Subtract those who don't vote for any reason (age, illness) - and the number is far lower. So just how do you account for the fact that this President won re-election with the highest margin of ANY PRESIDENT in his 2nd term since FDR? Let's look further. Stark reality: I'm distinctly Caucasian, am a proud President Obama voter and don't own a gun. Can't disarm those who don't carry in the first place, can you? And no, I'm NOT broke, poor, 'on the dole' (as you lot seem to believe) but am educated, fairly well off and taking a clear stance against those know-nothings who made women's issues their business while making ridiculous and decidedly ill-informed comments about how women's bodies work vis-a-vis rape and incest. WOMEN, both young and older (and those who love them), said 'enough' to the likes of Akin, Ryan, Walsh, Limbaugh and their candidate, Romney.

And this child shooter/murderer--was WHITE as all the worst ones are, not black!

maybe they were locked up and he killed her to get the key! becareful who you throw stones at.

Hear!! Hear!! I totally agree with you!! 5 guns...why in the world did she need 5 guns in what sounded like a very peaceful community? And why were they not locked up? So very, very wrong.

To many violent movies, TV shows and games also. Time for a full court press on violence in our society! Entertainment becomes reality for so many! God Bless the families and the souls of the lost.

Actually doctors are. 10x more people die each year from medical errors- doctor's mistakes- than from a gun. So...do we ban doctors?

ban the bloody doctors!

the shooter would have been controlled if there were still mental asylums where parents could put their mental rejects and not worry

@Sadly: What we've become is a whole lot smarter about bullying. This beautiful and compassionate School Psychologist had worked AT this school for 20 years. So don't assume that this is a 'new' thing in our society. Children have always had problems with bullies. it just took education and intelligence for society to recognize that there WAS a need for someone to be on staff at schools to help children who had difficulties. As a small kid ~I~ was extremely shy and constantly picked on/harassed by others. I somehow managed to make myself invisible enough to get by, but it did leave scars. I grew up to be a WHOLE lot stronger--and to have deep empathy for others who might walk in the shoes I did as a child, but not everyone is so lucky. Bullied children today have committed suicide when it gets overwhelming. Perhaps a compassionate person such as Mary could have saved me from years of heartache? There IS a need for the work she did, and others continue to do. Would you truly prefer to go back to the days when a Romney could get away with torturing a fellow classmate and get away with treating it as a 'childhood prank' with no repercussions? I don't think so.

School Psychologists deal with learning problems and not just social-emotional issues. So, in a school of 600 there can be as many as 15 % special needs children who need care. Andy

Thank you Andy for clarifyng the profession of school psychology. School Psychology is about crunching stats to determine whether a student falls within one of the 13 federal disability categories listed in the IDEA and requires special education services. Rarely do we get the chance to counsel or assist children with behavioral/emotional issues. And if her county is anything like the counties I have worked in, she was only there one or two days a week and had other assignments as well. We have lost a person who is highly trained and really cares about kids. There is no other reason to do such a profession that requires very high levels of education, heavy paperwork, and high levels of stress! We can not afford to lose even one, my condolences to her family and the school psychology profession as a whole.

It is true that people kill people. It may be important to add "people with guns kill people".

Julia, you are correct. They take the guns? Someone will grab their car and head for a busy Manhatten street corner at 80MPH. Poof, 45 people gone , if they drive down the sidewalk. Liberals are so rose colored glasses blind and stupid.

@Bradford, actually, a more accurate statement would be "very few people with guns kill people."

Bradford DeVine, what an idiotic statement! If you bothered to know anything at all about the NRA you'd know they fully support laws keeping guns out of the hands of criminals and other mentally incompetent people. It is made up of millions of law abiding people who are fathers, mothers, brothers and sisters whose hearts ache for the families of the victims of this senseless tragedy. It's true, this monster used a gun to carry out this horrible, evil deed, but I doubt the families of the 22 Chinese school kids killed yesterday by another monster with a KNIFE feel any better knowing that at least their loved ones weren't killed with a gun. May God bless and comfort all of these families.

To Mr Leach,
The guy in China did not kill 22 people, he injured 22 people. There were no fatalities. If he had a gun there would have been 22 dead so please get your facts straight.

Stupidest comment on here so far.

@Bradford, why would the NRA be happy? What is it that you think the NRA stands for? It would appear that what ever your thoughts are, you are mistaken.

I blame the lack of mental institutions and asylums

The bushmaster is nothing like the AK 47. It's actually more like an M16 or an M4, for your information. It's funny how those most against firearms are also the folks who know the least about them.

Also, he shot the glass out a forced his way in,

mexico

Absolutely dead on, Frank! They blame it on everything except where it belongs: on the shooter himself AND his ability to obtain guns and unlimited rounds of ammunition--regardless of how he (and those before him) obtained them.

LONG past time to end it. If not now, when? With you on that, all the way.

The Mayors against Guns have a petition: it behooves those of us who agree, to sign it...let's get this done: they're BI-PARTISAN and all across the Country, so Barney can't claim that it's 'liberal', 'black', or 'Obama', especially since the petition is addressed TO The President.
Here's the statement they issued after this latest Connecticut massacre: http://www.enewspf.com/opinion/39165-statements-of-mayors-against-illegal-guns-co-chairs-on-newton-connecticut-shooting.html

and here's the reference to its origins: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mayors_Against_Illegal_Guns

I'm SERIOUSLY curious as to what any of these pro-NRA and gun people would say had any one of these tiny kids been their own children or grandchildren? Obviously none of them were so they don't truly comprehend the horror.

Why not just outlaw mass shootings? Oh wait. That's right, criminals are not likely to abide by the law. Especially the mentally unstable.

we used to have them, called state hospitals for the mentally insane and mental asylums, throw the rejects in there and no worries

Dave B. used to have one in Havertown remember ? It was abandoned and now the Reserve

lets satrt by locking up the mental rejects

cry me a river,wait till someone breaks into your house.you can call the cops.they will show up after you have been raped or killed.

@Scotty, if gun control worked, it would be a worthy discussion. But gun control doesn't work. I think the Mayors Against Illegal Guns initiative is a good one with the right target in mind, but it's also the only one I'm aware of that affects the criminal. Gun Laws only affect the law abiding citizen.

@ Scotty: What about the folks who died in the Oklahoma City Bombing? Are you saying that if all guns ceased to exist, you believe mass murder would cease as well?

it is sad that it occurred during the Hanukkah holiday

gun control only effects the noncriminal, the shooters mother is to blame as she left guns unlocked and un-alarmed with a mental reject son in her house....

I'm a school psychologist in CA, and I completely agree.

too many kids are given antidepresants.they are messing our kids up,do the research.

I was also a school psychologist in Michigan until retirement 10 years ago, and I just wanted to add my respects to a woman who seemed to have lived all the best practices of her profession.
Mary Cordes

Michael Moore is a piece of garbage. You support that fat waste of skin??? Maybe you SHOULD do some research on him.

It's called "human free will". Is it so strange that God would allow us to make our own choices in life?

If you're a grandparent not holding grandchildren, take some responsibility for how you raised your daughter. Talk about false outrage.

We need more guns, not less. Don't drive yourself nuts over something that isn';t changing.

What about the law do you think will affect the criminal?

Very well said, Scotty. I am just devastated by the murder of these children and their teachers. It's too horrible for words.

Again, you're blaming the gun and not the criminal. Do you think he wouldn't have strapped a home made bomb to him self and done the same thing if he couldn't use guns? Or drive a semi into the building? Some of you "blame the NRA/Gun Owners" can't see the forrest for the trees!

@Kim: thank you for a most logical and heartfelt post.You balance good commonsense with empathy and understanding. With people like you going into the profession, I'm sure the children are in the same kind of good hands Mary Sherlach embodied.

@Barney: Personally? I think that you're a rabble-rouser, a shill for the NRA and a know-nothing (and those are the printable things).

Especially since most Democrats are not those owning the multiple guns, thousands of rounds of ammo OR those committing the majority of school shootings...especially gunning down innocent kids in classrooms as just happened.

Horrible attempt to try to deflect away from the issue of the terrible murders of these innocent wee ones in their own classroom, as well as their teachers and counselor. I've read your other post when you made it about black people and our President.
Kindly quit this. It's really unseemly in the face of the overwhelming grief these families are experiencing.

As a Country we NEED to protect our children--no matter what it takes. This discussion is long overdue--something the NRA has spent tons of money to stall and prevent. Most of us agree on this point. The only ones who seem to find fault are those who insist they have a 'right' to own and use semi or full-on automatic weapons and be able to own thousands of rounds of ammunition. What's wrong with owning a couple of regular guns for protection or having a reasonable amount of ammunition?

Our children deserve better. While people like you build a wall across Arizona and panic if you see a brown skin, the rest of us don't believe the 2nd Amendment gives you the right to own enough ammunition to blow up a neighbourhood if your house catches on fire.

This event and other events that have occurred as well as MANY other issues in our society have a common thread: We might consider that taking more time trying to study how much ANGER, and the inability of many in our society to place a more appropriate thought process in place when responding to life's events precipitated these events. With the burden of anger not in control of the process, reactions to our social interactions will be more productive. Effective communication cannot be achieved when the burden of feelings overwhelm the observations and constructive use of fact to make choices. This being said, the comments made regarding the proper identification and care of those among us who need help is primary to the solution. Gun control may be effective; but, as suggested, the limits of damaging people's lives, injuring and killing goes beyond guns. Perhaps a more realistic effort may be a social conscience regarding issues of anger and more productive efforts in our society: Media, education and leadership focused on issues of anger.

You pathetic dolt, Bruce Willis, Arnold S. and Chuck Norris are right wingers and made their careers on violent films.

Stop - perhaps we should take away your car, because you have the potential to drive drunk and kill someone, even though you may have never had a ticket?

Stop Complaining So Much, thank you for clearing that up for me. I'm not against the media. If anything, I commend them. Yes, I know, "What?" The media has brought many horrible issues to the surface and frankly, it's those issues that changed the law and brought positive changes. Look back through the centuries and many serious issues we look back at would still happen today had the media not brought them out. I commend the media.

Hey Hermy,

Let's start at the root of greed and evil - Hollywood.

It is time to realize the USA has always had guns, but never saw the amount of mass killings the way we saw this year.

It's the kids!

It's what they learned on TV, the movies, and the games.

It's not the guns.

Curb the violence on TV.

It might be too late but this country will have a civil war if they think Obama is going to abolish the 2nd amendement.

The Socialist can only go so far.

Just for the record, Hearme, CT already has some of the most restrictive gun laws in the country. Unfortunately, laws can never deter a person bent on evil.

She wasn't his psychiatrist, you moron. She had nothing to do with his life. She worked at the elementary school in CT, the killer lived in Hoboken NJ and was TWENTY YEARS OLD. How dare you insult Sherlach's memory by saying she should have done something when there was no way she could have had contact with him?

The killer did not live in hoboken you idiot - can you read? That was his brother. The killer lived with his mother. The killer should have been disposed of at an early age if we as a society werent so afraid of offending every third idiot.

@Barb: not quite. I know it makes for a pithy sound bite, but since they COULDN'T USE GUNS ON BOARD they had to devise cutting weapons (ergo box cutters which are concealable) to attack the crews who either didn't fight back, or if they did were killed. Shock value kept the others in line. A bullet fired IN an aircraft would have punctured the fuselage and disintegrated the plane in mid-air which would completely defeat their purpose, so of course they needed up close and personal weapons. The prevailing thought on Airlines (back then) was that no hijacker or terrorist would kill the pilots since they'd need them to fly the planes. No one ever thought they'd train their own pilots to crash the planes into buildings. The Airlines also did not keep the cockpits locked (all changed since 9-11). Passengers back then were also far less inclined to get involved as they are now. Now we know it's either that or die--so passengers have taken down many out-of-control people. Boxcutter wielding assailants can be disarmed by unarmed people willing to risk injury. Anything, even a book or jacket or towel wrapped around an arm can be used to protect oneself from the blade. Sheer numbers can overwhelm an assailant. NOT SO with a gun. And in truth? The real 'weapons' of 9-11 were the planes themselves. THEY (and the jet fuel) are what did all the damage. So let's at least keep the facts and the truth straight for purposes of accuracy.

Scotty, let me just assure you that a stray bullet merely puncturing the fuselage would not have "disintegrated" the aircraft. Having made my living in aviation, I find your uniformed analysis laughable. Especially considering the note made on getting facts in order. Another fact remains: hijackers used box cutters and that led to the murder of nearly 3000. You missed the point. That being, they will always find a way.

@Kaitlyn--you're right. And she's being justifiably hailed as a hero, along with the principal of the school for running TOWARDS the assailant. Two very courageous and unarmed women putting themselves between their charges and danger. That takes bravery of a kind which takes my breath away--and still leaves me in tears days later. So many women killed from very young to middle-aged including the murderer's own mother. So many young lives, many more girls than boys murdered. There's a theme here but the overall feeling I get is the terror that must have been overwhelming, yet intense bravery in the face of it.

Mary Sherlack was an astonishing woman as were the others who died with her. Much of our frustration is because we don't want more incredible women like her to be destroyed far too soon when we can and HAVE TO do something to stop this carnage. My heart is just aching for her family as well as for all of the others. I cannot imagine going through this.

Minster why must you ALWAYS bring lies and slander into any discussion. First off, NOBODY of note is talikng about banning movies. Secondly, the 2nd amendment was written well before the invention of semi and automatic weapons and was put in place because there was a real threat on England coming back (as they did in 1812). In the modern era the US is under no threat of foreign invasion. None. Zero. If you want to "protect" the nation, join the Army National Guard where issued an M 16 (that is kept by your unit when you aren't on active duty and only given out when needed or for rifle qualification). Otherwise, one semi auto is more than enough to "protect" yourself.

As for your facist mandatory psychological testing, that is something Hitler actually did in the 1930-40s and then use the results to jail, kill, and/or "sterilize" anyone who didn't agree with the "party morals". Thanks for giving us an insight into the way many right wing nuts actually think.

@1 - actually there are very good reason to own multiple weapons.

mtwnres - Name a few.... Seriously tell me why anyone needs more than one semi auto? Hunting rifles are different and you can actually justify why you want different calibers and such. Semi autos are made for one purpose. To kill people. How is having more than one make you any safer?

@1 - I'm assuming you probably own a 9mm ?

@1 The 2nd Amendment was put in place for the people to protect themsleves from tyranny, not just from England but from our own government. The Army, Navy, Marines, Coast Guard, National Guard etc. are supposed to protect the nation.

Our right as individuals to bear arms is in order for us to protect ourselves. It is a defense - you look as a gun as an offense saying it is only meant to kill. You frame of mind is incorrect especially for someone who owns a gun.

A reason for owning more than one semi-automatic is it takes less time to reload when you are defending your life and property.

There's no such thing as "sensible gun laws."

Joe, you will never get that kind of ban through and frankly people have the right to own a weapon they feel will defend them in case of need. That said, people should not be allowed to have more than one semi auto as there is no good reason for it. There should also be restrictions of the amount of ammo one can purchase. If we had a national registery that all dealers and sporting goods store had real time access to, it would be clear when someone was trying to stockpile arms and ammo and send a red flag to law enforcement.

Joe,
You are correct, we may as well Ban cars, spoons, fast food restaurants, tobacco, doctors performing surgeries, and pools. As I researched United States list of preventable deaths. Those are the top and yes among those are also firearms... the funny thing about it is that guns are near the bottom.

You can't ban stupid and your can't ban evil. Banning does not stop anything. Look at Drugs on the street. somebody mentioned prostitution. I'm sure there are other banned things out there. Criminals will find a way to find the banned things and use them.

Best thing you can do is EDUCATE. You can't label anything to anyone because that's discrimination.

And as for your universal healthcare, I was in the Armed forces, it was terrible dealing with doctors who don't give a crap about you because they "work too hard to get paid nothing." Move to Canada if you don't like it here.

When the gun manufacturers all over the world are shut down, all guns are destroyed and the knowledge to create guns are gone, I'll gladly get rid of mine.

James White, I am a gun owner myself and am against an outright ban but the dopey "logic" of comparing cars, doctors performing surgeries, and pools to guns (which are specifically designed and created for one purpose, to kill) only serves to make you sound like a typical right wing nut case.

Simon, people like you are what prevents any action from being taken. In a democracy, we need to be able to compromise in order to get things accompished. When extremist from both sides refuse to compromise, NOTHING gets done which is why this nation is such a mess right now.

The fact is you will NEVER get a total gun ban into law in the US so why not try to take steps to make gun ownership more transparent and safer. Limiting people to one semi auto is a start. Having all guns and ammo in a real time national database (buyer data entered within 24 hours of purchase) would also help but whining that all guns should be banned or that there should be no gun laws will get us no where.

Why do you get to decide what I need? Assault weapons were banned and it made no impact on tragedies like this one. Nor will a ban or other restriction in the future.

Doug, one semi auto can be justified for individual protection. More than one, not so much. Your comment followed by NJarheads show why nothing every gets done. Wing nuts from both sides refuse to compromise which is why we should ignore them and let the majority moderates get laws on the books that both sides can live with.

@1
Which one semi auto would you recommend, and why ?

@1, no your knee jerk reaction to this horrific event is typical. Since when is it a good idea to address a subject so important when everyone is filled with emotion? Also, you cry for more laws, yet this nut job broke a number of them anyway. You're idea that a gun ban or restriction is an uninformed and sadly, popular opinion!

mtwnres - I'm not here to give recommendations on gun purchases. I am simply saying that more than one semi-auto goes beyond "personal protection" and I would have no problem if laws were put in place in enact limits on the number of weapons and ammo one person can have. In my opinion, a simple 9 mm is the best weapon for "protection" as it is small enough to be carried but who am I to say what others may want. I just don't think anyone needs a bunch of semi automatic guns. Period.

To defend oneself. Really it is not very hard to figure out. Th eweapons would also be in the hands of criminals since they do not follow the rules.

@1 - a 9mm ? You plan to fire that in your house at an intruder ?
What happens when you miss ?

What happens when your target is out of the effective range of your 9mm ?
Do you even know what that is ?

You are exactly the type of person that shouldn't own a gun.
Probably bought the coolest gun ( in your mind) you could find and don't even know it's proper use.

PS- that's the answer to your above question about why the need to own multiple weapons. But do everyone a favor and don't buy anymore until you educate yourself about them.

mtwnres, I'm not going to waste my time getting into these hypothetical situations with you. I served six years in the army so I have a decent idea of how to fire a weapon and frankly if someone breaks in my house and I go to shoot them but miss 16 times, shame on me.

Do youself a favor and just shut up and stop making ASSumptions about me just because I don't feel the need to have a stock pile of weapons in my home in order to feel "safe".

@1 - ok tough guy. HA!

NJarhead - Considering that there have been several major shooting incidents using MULTIPLE semi auto weapons, how long should we wait to discuss addressing the problem? By the time your "waiting period" is over, there will be another shooting spree and once again it will be "we can't address a subject so important when everyone is filled with emotion". Sorry buddy but now is the time. If you feel you need more than one semi auto weapon to be "safe" chances are YOU are the one with the problem to have made so many enemies.

Good day and good luck.

@1
I have a semi automatic shotgun for turkey hunting. A Glock with a 13 round magazine that I use for Personal Defense, but sometimes that is too big to carry, depending on what I am wearing that day. So I have a smaller semi-auto pistol that is less powerful, and less likely to stop an attacker. I also have a semi auto .22LR (holds 16 .22LR and would hold even more .22 shorts) that I use for shooting cans of diet soda left over from family parties, tin cans, and I also use it to teach my interested friends how to safely shoot a gun (although I am not a certified instructor). So tell me why should I only be allowed to keep one of those? They all have legitimate purposes. How does owning more then one semi-auto gun turn someone into a murderer? I mean I could carry 2 revolvers just as easily as I could carry 2 semi-automatics. And while this is an extreme example there are professional shooters who are able to get 12 rounds off with a 6 shot revolver (so that does include a reload) in less then 3 seconds so the amount of lead down range argument is kinda negated with that too. If you are interested in seeing that it is below:

http://youtu.be/lLk1v5bSFPw

No "Buddy" it's not. This is precisely how rights are stripped away; exploiting a tragic event to pass legislation. Legislation, by-the-way, that was formerly in affect yet failed to deter events such as this.

I have no enemies that I know of, nor did I say that I "needed" anything OR that I was protecting my home with any particular weapon. You've assumed the rest and it's the same, predictible, uninformed crap that stems from tragedy and tunnel vision.

Good luck to us all!

1, if you think a chicken in every pot and "one" semi automatic in every doorway is the way to go, then you may want to rethink who you call a wing nut.

I'll bet some of the store owners in Watts in thr 60's, or Compton in the early-mid 90's could have justified ownership of a semi-automatic weapon. Or do we limit how many bad guys we get to protect ourselves from per incident? But why punish the many responsible owners of these type weapons who simply enjoy shooting them at the range? There are a ton more of them then are the sickos who commit these crimes. And AGAIN, the law does nothing to deter the criminal.

Actually an AR15 can be used for hunting very effectively.

Don't believe me ?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eqBLoTSLQO0

Don't watch the video if seeing a deer get shot bothers you.

No a pistol can't accomplish the same thing.

And no, anyone can't get one any time they want.

What is your idea of a "regular pistol". I'm assuming you are referring to a revolver style hand gun that only holds 6-8 bullets. One could make the argument that is enough to "defend" yourself (and revolvers are actually more reliable as 9 mm tend to jam), it's a matter of personal taste. I think you could make a better argument to get rid of the assualt weapons (AK 47s, Bushmasters, M-16s) which I would actually consider because those weapons can easily be made automatic and hold much more ammo. See if you are willing to compromise, you may get some where. I don't expect the hard core gun nuts here to agree but again, they are also part of the problem. The loons on BOTH sides need to basically be ignored so that the MAJORITY of moderates can make decisions that are best for the nation. That is what democracy is all about. Majority rule.

@1 - Wtf, owns a gun and doen'st know it's intended use.

And you don't live in a democracy where the majority rules.

You live in a Constitutional Republic. There's a difference. Maybe you should do some light reading .

mtwnres, go stroke your gun buddy....you are a clown and your extremist voice will be drown out by the majority. For the record, most of the guys I know who are obsessed with guns are whimps who live in constant fear of being beat up or attacked. They carry all the time because they know they are punks...Sorry but I don't live like that.

GFY!

@1 Relax, we can all tell you're a tough guy.
I mean , you tell people to shutup on the internet and call them names when they don't agree with you.
Clearly you're a big man on campus.

You are a dope and do legit gun owners no favors with your foolish and borderline racist rants (notice all the cities you mentioned have large minority populations). Comparing guns to salt, beer, cars, etc... is the argument of someone who thinks at a 2nd grade level at adds nothing to the discussion.

While you make some valid points, your condescending tone and twisting of the actual issue (why was a clearly mentally ill/unstable kid given access to multiple semi automatic weapons by his mother) does nothing to reach the middle ground needed to make a difference. Forget about some sort of total ban. It will NEVER happen and trying to do so is just a waste of time. Instead we need to focus on making our guns laws more transparent and prevent people from massing large stock piles of weapons and ammo.

It is nearly impossible to get a license to carry a gun in NJ due to the liberals that run (as well as rape and pillage) this awful place. If things were done correctly teachers were carrying their MP5s this would have never happened. Thankfully more moderate states in the union are allowing for broader carry laws and stopping liberals from keeping citizens from carrying their guns into schools and malls where there are needed to protect us from all of these people with mental health issues that should be locked up in an asylum rather than main streamed and given two aides in public schools (while using public money that should be spent to educate children that will actually benefit)

Israel figured it out 30 years ago. Teachers carry automatic weapons. This does not happen there.

Yeah Henry, that Chris Christie is a real "liberal"....sigh.

It's scary how stupid many of the gun owners here are....

ASimon wrote: "When was the last time a crime was stopped in Middletown by an individual weilding their own semi automatic weapon? I must have missed that story on Patch."

Because of folks such as yourself, it's near impossible to get a permit to carry anywhere in NJ. That's why there are no stories like the one you elude to.

In fact, because of folks like you, should a person run out of his/her home because they saw a gun crime in progress and, in assisting the victim, shot the perpertrator, they would likely face serious charges and law suits.

Who said guns were the sole problem? I addressed the mental health concerns as well as this kids mother's poor judgement in giving him access to weapons. Again, please explain why you need more than one semi automatic weapon to "protect" yourself.

PS - Nice touch making fun on kids with intellectual disabilities. Real classy!

@Jarhead

ok how many crimes were stopped in right wing nut states that allow morons to carry?
with your twistd logic there should be no violent crimes in Pa,Fl,Co,Tx to name a few but guess what there is
and
there is no reason ppl have automatic weapons the hypocrite tea baggers are not going to call you to form a militia

Tim, unless I'm mistaken, Florida's own Sherriffs were for carry/conceal rights and were delighted with the results actually.

How many crimes were stopped due to the assault weapons ban while it was in effect?

What type of gun did Tim McVeigh use to kill all those people? What about the 9/11 terrorists? What if ALL guns were made illegal. Do you think gun crime would go up or go down?

@Tim, also, it appears that the guman in the Oregon Mall may have had his plans altered by a concealed carrier there shopping: http://newsworldwide.wordpress.com/2012/12/17/oregon-mall-shooter-may-have-been-stopped-by-concealed-carrier/

The process has already begun - we have been overfeeding women for years and making clothing a large and calling it a small and calling girls that look good anorexic or bulemic so soon all the women will be soooo fat no one will rape them anymore.

ask todd akin if it was a legit rape first you right wing nut
enjoy your govt issued vaginal probe

Your answer to how to prevent rape is to call names? Add another to the list to be put into an instituiton just as soon as we ban assault weapons.

So, what you're saying is, if assault rifles were banned, this wouldn't have happend? I don't think that's the case. IMO, anyone who could experience fear or apprehension, I think, has just enough emotion to NOT shoot a child. This kid was out there.

LB - Assault weapons are banned!! We are all safe now!! Thanks

Does a Glock 17 semi-automatic pistol with a 17 shot clip count as being banned?

Would 17 shots do a lot of damage or do you think we should limit it to 6 shot 38 specials?

And thank you for lumping us all together. That is equally idiodic. I'm guessing you should take your own advice.

yes, i think you should qualify that -- "Henry Rollins" is an idiot (and his namesake would be appropriately appalled, i'm sure)... not only is he an idiot, he's a very offensive, nasty, and mean-spirited one... Republicans as a whole do not deserve to be lumped into his pathetic demographic... the "overfeeding women" comment should be flagged as inappropriate by anyone with a single moral fiber in their body...

Semper Fi!

I agree with Mike Bloomberg, we need to do better with our mentally unstable citizens.

To stupid. You from Mayberry. Thanks for the confirmation of my opinion. I have no need to share with you, it's obvious, to me, that your not "in charge" of many many major decisions. Go back to scrubbing pots.
To Jarhead, now you see why we lump all pubs together.
Republican=stupid

That was amazingly intelligent! Not! Yep, Republicans are stupid but Democrats manage the country's worst cities and states and the country. When challenged on the facts, Democrats name call. With the miserable record of failures they have, I suppose what else can they do.

Mayberry, you lost your credibility when you went '90s' on us with not. Your question was so absurd that I thought that it was retorical. I will, no the less, offer an answer. That's where the majority of people live. Over 90 % of the population live in metropolitan areas. Also, demographically, people living close to the poverty line tend to see and partake in illegal activities. By the way, the highest proportion of death, by guns, per person, is Mississippi. Yes, the white people. Common denominator-POVERTY
Republican=stupid (just read these posts for proof)

Same way Gore and Pelosi and Reid do it. Do ya really want to go there?

I have a great idea. Let's borrow money and it will fix the problems with guns. It solves all of our other problems now so let's do more of it.

Let's test your liberalism. If the kid was caught and put on trial, would you support the death penalty for him or should we lock him up for 50 years with free cable, health insurance and 3 squares a day and try and turn him into a better member of society?

How many murders in Chicago under Democrat control this year? Answer 437. Most by legal guns I'm sure.

Mayberry, does your post infer that your pro-capital punishment? If so, are you also anti-choice? I have a feeling that your hyprocracy has no bounds.
Republican=stupid

Liberals never like to answer a question because what they do doesn't solve problems. It only took 17 trillion of debt to figure it out. Nevermind, more debt is coming to continue to NOT solve any problems.

If you choose to commit a crime, we will put you in jail or kill you. The choice is yours.

Oh look, another murder in Chicago today, number 438! A new record. Who governs Chicago Tim, Democrats or Republicans?

Mayberry, again with the stupid. Bush, not Clinton or Obama is responsible for 11 trillion(13 trillion with your math because Bush spent a 2 trillion surpluss) of the defecit. Do a little homework.
Mayberry=stupid

Debt on BHO inauguration day 10.6 trillion. Debt today $16.6 Trillion.
Debt when GWB took office $5.4 trillion.

BHO debt equals $6T in 4 years and is greater than GWB debt of $5.2 trillion over 8 years.

Are you like BHO and not smart with math?

keep lying to yourself! Can we get back to discussing how you plan to rid the world of murders thanks to gun laws?

Maybery, where do you get this info? fox news. google gao and search budget. Wala. 2 trillion + 11 trillion =13 trillion
Yes, I'm good at this arithmetic. Now get an education. I'm having a battle of the wits with an unarmed man.

I get my information from the White House.

http://www.whitehouse.gov/omb/budget/Historicals

table 7.1

Look at Homeboy's debt the next few years.

Bush created 11T of debt? you are insane.

The debt when Slick Willy left office was $5.6 Trillion up 40% over 8 years from GHWB.

Debt today of $16.3 trillion less debt when BHO sworn in $10.6 Trillion. How much is that Mr. Math Wizard?

http://www.usdebtclock.org/

Patrick, Tim's one of yours. That makes us even here. I could go to an occupy Wall St function and find you a ton more dumb liberals if you'd like.

Tim, "what if" my Aunt had balls? She'd be my Uncle.

Sorry, there are better versions of the article you can read if you'd like. Perhaps there aren't more examples because there's less crime in areas that permit carry and conseal? Hmmmm. So this is the only thing I've said that you cherry picked to debate? No surprise there. These crimes are representative of the sick individual, not the tools they use to carry then out with. For every gun crime, there are thousands, that's THOUSANDS, of responsible gun owners. They don't preach about what you "need" in your home and ask that you not do the same to them.

I never said his girth reflected his intelligence or lack there of. I also never said you supported him. I asked. I should have asked if you support Bill Maher. I've heard many uninformed, venomous comments fly out of his suck hole over the years. If either of these two were on fire, I'd "consider" putting them out with a wet chain.

There you go, cherry picking again.

Maybe you should try reading the article again:

“I’m not beating myself up cause I didn’t shoot him,” said Meli. “I know after he saw me, I think the last shot he fired was the one he used on himself.”